Newer Tech Info

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This page contains all the info I have gathered on Newer's G3 upgrade for the 6400
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Newer Technology, Inc.
4848 W. Irving Street
Wichita, KS 67209

Voice (316) 943-0222 FAX (316) 943-0555
E-mail: info@newertech.com

Newers MaxPower G3 universal drivers-
Newer Tech drivers available from OWC- OtherWorld Computing's web site

10/20/98 Another G3 card vendor for the 6400?: I received this from Brian who over heard some interesting news from a Mac useres group meeting from Newer Technology. Thanks Brian

"Tom, not that this is very relevant, but I was at my Macintosh User Group today, and there was a presentation from NewerTech on G3 upgrades. Someone asked him about Performa6400, and he said that it was more likely that one will be available for the Performa6400 than for the Powerbook3400. Whatever that means. I was going to corner him after the meeting and have him elaborate on the likelyhood of P6400, but he split during the middle of the meeting. Anyway, they raffled off a 2XXmhz G3 upgrade card for a PM6100. Damn.. I never win anything.

The best thing about the user group is they give away about a thousand dollars of software and what not every month.

Go Mac!!!

Seeya, Brian"

Maybe Vimage will have some competition in the future. If so you heard it hear first. I would suspect other vendors to try similar things if the Vpower PF G3 sold well.

Competition for Vimage?: I found this news article at Yahoo! Looks like Vimage may be getting some competition in the L2 slot G3 market.

Newer Technology Announces New MAXpowr G3 L2 Processor Upgrade Cards For Non-Upgradeable Power Mac 4400 Series, StarMax and APS Computers

Maybe Newer will be making one for the 6400 soon?

Update on Newer's L2 G3 card: William sends info that he got word from Newer that sure sounds like their working on a 6400 version of a L2 slot G3. Thanks William!

[I asked the President & CEO of Newertech if they were developing a G3 upgrade for the PF 6400. He said they were working on it but had not made an announcement yet.
William T. Russell, Jr]

Newer Tech announces G3 upgrade for the 6400!: Just when you thought 2 vendors was enough. Newer sent a press release on 3 new G3 upgrades for the 6400 family of Macs. I found this at MacInTouch 2/16/1999.6

[Yesterday we noted price cuts on G3 CPU upgrades from Sonnet and PowerLogix, and Newer Technology has announced a series of G3 upgrades for the cache slot of Power Mac 5400-6500, TAM and clone systems that were not designed for upgrades. The company claims it will ship the products in "late March," starting at $399 for a 300/512K/150 configuration. (Vimage pioneered cache-slot upgrade, and other companies, such as Sonnet and MacCPU, also are shipping upgrades for these systems currently.)]

They are also selling a 300/1M and a 400/1M upgrade! The 400Mhz card will run around $1100. Thats $200 less then what Vimage announced for its soon to be released 320Mhz card. I asked Newer if I could review their cards and they said as soon as they get some evaluation units then they will send them to me. It will be my pleasure to test the 400Mhz card :) Click here to visit my Newer Info page. I already had some info gathered when this was rumored a few months ago.

Press release on Newer's L2/G3: Jordan sent me this link to Newer's press release. Thanks Jordan

400Mhz G3 upgrade for the 6400?, Nope!: I had posted some concerns about Sonnets or Newers 400Mhz cards running on a 6400 at Apples forums and it looks as if I was right. the 6400 has a 40Mhz bus and the current line of G3 CPU's has a max 8x BUS/CPU ratio limit which means the fastest G3 for us is 320Mhz. Scott wrote to Newer and they confirmed this. Thanks Scott.

[Tom,
Your on the mark again. I recently inquired about the same situation with NewerTechs MAXPowrG3 400/1MB for 6360,64XX and 65XX series machines. The following is the reply from NewerTech

"In a 40MHz bus machine, the 400MHz card will only run at 320MHz.Thanks for your interest."

So if you have a 6360 or 64XX machine, 320Mhz is all you'll get with the MAXPowrG3. Unfortunately, many of the Mac product catalogs are mis-advertising this product. For the MAXPowr cost, $999 street, you would be better served to review Vimage's 320Mhz at a cost of $599.
semry]

He is right about Vimages 320/325 card being the better choice for the 6400. As we speak Vimage is just about ready to ship it and it will run around $599. Plus I hear the double boot issue may be fixed? This is the same price as Newers and Sonnets 300Mhz G3's but 20Mhz faster. Vimage will send me a card to review as soon as they're out. On a side note I was told Newers cards may not ship until June or July. I hope they aren't going thru the same problem they had with the 6100 PDS slot G3 upgrade. I remember it being advertised for months before it was ready!

Reply from Newer on Geo modem compatibility: Mark wrote Newer awhile back asking if they tested their L2 G3 upgrades with a UK spec 5400's Geo modem and they replied that they did not yet. Thanks for the info Mark.

Newer Techs word on the fate of their 20th Anniversary G3 upgrade: Newer wrote a response to the rumor of them not going to supply a TAM version of their G3 upgrade due to stability issues. It seems they still are working on it but it is taking to long for them to make it stable on this one system so they are slowing down testing on this system to get the others done.

[Roger Kasten of Newer Tech responds to the weekend news reader comment (from a TAM site) regarding the 20th Anniv. Mac L2 cache slot G3 Upgrade being removed from their line:

"Mike,
The answer to your 20th Anniversary question is No! We are not discontinuing the 20th. We are, however, not tying support for the 20th to the release of the MAXpowr G3 L2-B card. The 20th requires some special attention and it has been slowing down the overall intro of the L2-B card so we decided to remove it from the support list. The card will support the 5400, 5500, 6360, 6400, 6500, PowerBase, C500 and C600. We will continue to fine tune the 20th and when we are satisfied we will release support for it.
The best thing that people have going for them is that two of the programmers and the president of the company all run on 20th Anniversary Macs. There is a lot of desire to get it working to their satisfaction level.]

News on Newers 6400 G3 upgrade: I don't know if the posting I found on MacFixIt's site below means Newer has their 6400 G3 ready or not but they are making a nice bundle for us. Its listed for education resellers but I wonder if they will make a consumer bundle? read on.

[300 MHz MAXpowr G3 & 10/100 Ethernet Bundle $399: :Newer Technology, Inc. the original developer of third party Macintosh processor upgrades, today announced a product pairing of a G3 processor upgrade with the Farallon Communications Fast EtherTX-10/100 Comm Slot II Card. Farallon has a long and successful history developing plug and play network interface cards. The Newer Technology 300MHz MAXpowr G3-L2E G3 processor upgrade and the Fast EtherTX-10/100 Comm Slot II Card are designed for the most popular Power Mac and Performa models used primarily in the education market. Its compatible with the Power Mac 5400, 5500, 6400, 6500; Apple Performa 5400, 5410, 5420, 5430, 5440, 5500, 6360, 6400, 6410 and 6420. The MAXpowr G3-L2E and Farallon EtherTX 10/100 bundle is available July 5th from Authorized Education Resellers at an estimated street price of $399, part number 120576."]

Funny how they are advertising this but no mention on whether the G3 card is even ready for consumer sales?

8/7/1999 First user reports on Newers L2 G3: Zach just got Newers 300/200 L2 G3 for his 6400 and has sent me some info over the past few days on its performance. Sounds good so far. Thanks Zach

[I got one of the first batch of NewerTech MAXpowr G3-L2 300/200 cards (MacConnection $549). I installed it this morning into my 6400/200. The software driver is an extension called MAXpowr G3 L2B (version 1.0) which loads first on boot. The heat sink faces away from the RAM, which means toward the PCI cards, so I switched the order of my PCI cards to provide more clearance for the heat sink which otherwise would have just touched the edge of my ATI XClaim GA (not a typo, just an old ATI card). Everything seems fine and faster. I don't have a good feel for it yet. The fan may be a little louder than usual, or it could be my imagination. Feel free to e-mail me any additional questions.

It Single boots. It works fine with the ATI XClaim GA. Vimage still says theirs does not.

I ran MacBench 5.0 and scored 1002 on the processor compared with 1000 for a Power Macintosh G3/300. That seems reasonable. I've got the same amount of L2 cache (1 MB) but running at 200 MHz instead of 150, but my system bus speed is 40 MHz instead of 66 MHz.

Of course now I wish my disk, graphics, etc. were faster. That'll have to wait for the G4 machines I suppose. I have OS 8.1

It's been running continuously for 72 hours and no problems yet. Keeping my fingers crossed...]

I'm not sure if the heat sink facing the PCI cards will be a problem or not. I have emailed Newer for more info and a test unit to try. Zach later wrote that its been a week and no issues at all. GOOD!

8/14/1999 Newer drops prices on L2 G3 upgrades: Here is a list of their new pricing. They also combined the L2 G3 products for the 4400 family and 6400/6500 families like Sonnet did so the same upgrade works on both types. This makes it easier for them to manufacture and keep less inventory.

[MAXpowr G3 L2 300/1MB/200 $459 [reduced $40]
MAXpowr G3 L2 400/1MB/200 $779 [reduced $50]

The MAXpowr G3-L2A and MAXpowr G3-L2B G3 upgrades that install into the Level 2 cache slot have been combined into a single product named 'MAXpowr G3-L2'. The MAXpowr G3-L2 works in all of the computers covered by these original two products:
Power Mac 4400, 4400 DOS, 7220 (international), 5400, 5500, 6400, 6500; Performa 5400, 5410, 5420, 5430, 5440, 6360, 6400, 6410, 6420; UMAX C-500, C-600; Power Computing PowerBase (all); all Motorola StarMax 3000, 4000, 5000, 5500; APS M*Power series (all).]

Newer G3 driver update page: Here is a link to Newers page with all the latest drivers. I don't think they have updated their L2 G3 driver let but if you have one then go check it out just incase they did.

More Newer G3 info from Zach: I asked Zach about the heatsink being on the other side facing the PCi cards and if it would be a problem. Here is his reply. Thanks

[The top edge of the ATI Xclaim GA card would almost or just touch the fins of the heat sink. It would have fit, but it was too close for comfort. There would have been no electrical contact, but I wanted more air flow and it was eay to swap the cards.]

Question on using LibMoto with Newers L2 G3: David sent me a clipping from Newers FAQ on using LibMoto with their G3's.

[Tom,
I found this statement on the Newer tech support FAQ web site. Do you know if this is true, or does it just apply when using one of their G3-L2 cards?
Thanks!
David


"I have the library called "LibMotoSh" which was installed with the MAXpowr G3 software, what system do I need this with?
You should use LibMoto with any OS before 8.1. If you have LibMoto installed, and you're at 8.1 or higher, you should take it out of your Extensions Folder "]

That is interesting. Actually it is true and not true depending on what system you have.

I have heard that Apples prefessional line of Macs, namely the G3's and 604e's, use an updated version of Apples math library that is incorporated in OS 8.1 and up. It is better then what LibMoto does for FPU.

Now the 6400 has its math library in the ROM and for some reason (which only Apple knows) cannot use the latest version in OS 8.1 so LibMoto would be better for FPU.

Now it gets even stickier. Motorola has determined that LibMoto clashes with the Geomodem which just about every 6400 came with. I never had the problem but many other people have.

Sonnet used to make LibMoto part of their default install but many people disabled it to get better stability out of their G3 upgrade. Now you have to do a custom install to get it.

Basically some people worship it and others say its just voodoo and doesn't make any system math improvments other than in bench mark apps and then others say it is a mess and ruines stability.

I say just don't use it. If your G3 installer places it in your system folder then remove it. The G3 will give you plenty of speed with or without it. I used to use it all the time and frankly I never noticed a speed increase and I never had any stability issues so I removed it.

10/21/1999 Newer no longer to sell 400Mhz L2 G3's?: Here is another thing that was brough to my attention. Newer does not list their 400Mhz L2 G3 any more. I can't find it on their web site or in catalogs? Did they stop making this one? Again any info on this is appreciated.

I heard that it was due to low demand which I would assume. It was only made for 50Mhz systems which were the 6500 and 20th aniversary Mac so not as many systems as the slower 40Mhz 6400 and clones.

1/29/2000 Newer Guage Pro issue with L2 G3's and info on Newers G3: Ric sent me some info concerning Newers new Guage Pro utility when used to see info on Sonnets L2 G3. He got a very interesting reply. Thanks Ric.

[> I tried GaugePro on my G3 upgraded Performa 6400, but was disappointed as
> it doesn't report the correct processor and cache info (see the
> screenshot showing Gauge Pro, Sonnet's Metronome and PowerLogix Cache
> profiler).
>
> I have a Sonnet Crescendo L2 G3 (300MHz/1Mo backside 150 MHz, software
> overclocked to 320/213MHz).
>
> I hope a future release will correct that, as you sell a similar L2 G3
> card (does that one report correctly ?) and I find GaugePro neat, as all
> your software -- smaller (!!!) and more informative than others.
> VRic
>----------
Thank you for your e-mail.
I noticed this problem after v1.0 was released. The problem does not happen with our cards, and will only happen on upgrades that switch processors at extension time, when the driver software doesn't update all areas of the OS. Some of the Sonnet cards are examples of this.


I have already made a minor change in the Gauge PRO code to fix this, by using a second method of checking the CPU type. This change will be in the next released version.


Thanks again for your e-mail, and too bad you didn't choose the Newer card. ;-)
Ben Mickaelian
Software Engineer
Newer Technology, Inc.]

If you notice the highlighted area I made you will see that Newer mentions that some L2 G3's switch CPU's (from stock to G3) when a driver is loaded in the extension folder. From this I get that Newers does not switch CPU's and must boot directly to the G3 from the beginning? I reported some time ago that another company named www.joecard.com was working on a L2 G3 that did just this but they stopped work on it. Well it seems Newer has done it and this must be why their L2 G3 is most compatible with video cards and sound apps. Vimage attempted this by doing the soft reboot once the extension was reached to try and get all the extensions to see a G3 CPU but video some video cards did not like this softboot.

Here is another letter I found on MacFixIt's site that further confirms that Sonnets L2 G3 does not update all parts of the 6400 when it boots to let it know it has a G3 instead of a 603e CPU. I also noticed this when I tried Linux on my 6400. The CPU info in Linux reported a 603e CPU with a 300Mhz speed.

[ "I have a 6500/250 upgraded with a Sonnet G3 L2 300MHz/ 512 L2 cache and when I ran the new Gauge PRO it displayed my cpu as the original 603ev in the 6500 and not the PowerPC 750 on the upgrade card, although it gave my cpu speed as 300MHz not the original 250MHz of the 603ev. It also gave 'unknown' under the L2 cache area." [Phil Macomber]]

2/2/2000 Shortage on Newer L2 G3 cards: Tim sent word that Newer is having a shortage right now with the L2 G3 cards. They did not forcast properly. They should be back up to full stock soon. Thanks, Tim

I also just saw in the latest ClubMac catalog that the 300/512k L2 G3 is not advertised? Newers site still has it showing though so this may be just due to the shortage mentioned.

Newer Online Store: Newer has just announced online sales of their products. So now you can get them straight from the source. I just checked last night and it was not up and running yet :( They also announced a 466Mhz upgrade for revA-revD iMacs. Very cool! I heard thru the grape vine that PB G3 series upgrades are next.

2/12/2000 Newer Tech in financial trouble?: There is a lot of speculation going around about a letter that was posted on the web from Newer to their creditors requesting a new payment schedual for their debts. A lot of people are saying this means the end of Newer? It might be and it might not? I'm sure Apple went through all of this many times over their dark period. I for one do not want to count them out yet. They did just announce the new iMac G3 CPU upgrade and are rumored to announce a PB G3 CPU upgrade as well. But times are tough as there are so many G3 upgrade vendors now that it must be very cut-throat for them all! It was brought to my attention that they no longer have the 300/512k L2 G3 listed anymore and the 300/1M card is now $299. I think this puts their 300/1M card on par with Sonnets 300/1M card but Newers runs the Backside cache at 200Mhz instead of 100Mhz and Newers is more compatible with the Voodoo3. I hope they stay around as I would hate for Sonnet to loose their only competition :)

2/26/2000 Newer discontinues L2 G3!: Many of you may know by now that Newer has stopped production of their L2 G3 series upgrades :( I guess the market had hurt them more then we thought? Their current press release states that the L2 G3 is no longer in production along with a few other items. Also their online store does not list them. When Sonnet came out and had so many issues with their L2 G3 I didn't think anyone could top Vimages stability but Newer did it and more. I was never able to test one but from all the reports from you guys I came to the comclusion that not only did Newer get rid of the double boot like Sonnet but they also kept the same stability as Vimages and with more video card compatibility. Infact I think the only real issue was with the Geo modem not working! It will be missed as much as Vimage is :( Sonnet remains the dominant and only L2 G3 vendor now. Sonnets 1.4.1 driver has fixed many issues but still a few remain.

Newer upgraded L2 G3 cards for Geo support?: Arturo sent me a letter stating Newer told him to return his card when he emailed them he was having issues with his Geo modem. They told him they made a change to the card and would send him a replacement. I hope this is true but they might not have anymore since they stopped production? Thanks Arturo.

[Tom,
I called Newer Tech. and told them what I did. They said they were aware of the Geo problem and they had made some changes to the card and other updates to make it compabible so I should send it to them anyway. I will.
thanks again, arturo]

3/3/2000 Newer Lives!: I got this info from MacsOnly. Sounds like Newer is going to stay around awhile. Great :)

[Newer Technology Lives! As we expected, a major NewerTech supplier and creditor, Tri-M, invested in NewerTech, took over management and named four members of NewerTech's Board of Directors. From NewerTech's Communications Director Eric Dahlinger, "Newer Technology announces an equity partnership with Tri-M Technologies (S) Limited of Singapore. Gerald Minjoot, managing director, Tri-M stated, 'Tri-M is delighted to combine the quality culture of Tri-M and its manufacturing capability with the creative culture of new product development at Newer Technology. This combination will propel Newer Technology into years of future growth and industry leadership.' Tri-M provides quality built, fully tested turnkey products for Newer Technology. Tri-M, fully ISO 9001 rated, has earned the highly prestigious Singapore Award of Excellence. 'In fact, Tri-M has produced the highest quality products that Newer Technology has ever offered,' said James Wiebe, Newer Technology founder and vice president of engineering." Gerald Minjoot is the new CEO.]

And here's some news from Daniel he got from Newer about the status of their L2 G3 upgrades. Thanks Daniel!

[Hi Tom.
VERY GOOD NEWS!
I was unable to get a card from upgradestuff.com, so I contacted Newer to get more info about the availability of the card later this year. This is the reply that I've got from them:
Daniel,

This product is delayed because we did a poor job of forecasting demand and 300MHz chips are constrained. We aren't likely to get more new product until late March.

Here's what's currently available for your machine.

Part# Description Speed Street Status
7MXLB+300/200 MAXpowr G3-L2 300/200MHz 750 w/1MB 1100 $299 Constrained
7MXLB300/150 MAXpowr G3-L2 300/150MHz 750 w/512K 975 $249 Constrained

I am very sorry for the delay and any inconvenience that this may have caused!
Tim

Please pass this info via your web site
Thanks!]

Just to note that the reader who did order a Newer 260Mhz card from upgradestuff.com said it was for a 4400 only :( Bummer! At least it sounds like Newer will once again sell the 6400/6500 version once they get back up to full production.

3/11/2000 Newer MaxPower 2.0.2fc3 driver works?: I found this on MacFixIt's web site. This person had issues with the 2.0 version and says this preliminary version is working fine. But I had another person (Brent) tell me that the 2.0.2fc3 extension caused him trouble and the 1.0 version worked just fine? I'm not sure what Newer has fixed but I guess they are working n the Geo modem issue since they really didn't have any other problems :)

[MAXpowr and 6400: success Mike Sellers writes: "Since I was one of the first to wail when NewerTech's MAXpowr 2.0 didn't work on my Performa 6400/1800 with the 300/200/1MB card, I'd like to report that the new MAXpowr 2.0.2fc3 installed without a hitch and has worked flawlessly all weekend.']

Here is Brents letter. Thanks Brent.

[Tom,
I just learned some important information regarding Newer Technologie's Maxpowr G3 upgrades and thier drivers that might be of interest to your readers. Check it out:

I have a Performa 6400 running OS 8.6. I have had a Maxpowr G3 L2 300/200 card installed for about 6 months that works quite well with minimal problems. Up until yesterday I had been using version 1.0 of their drivers.

Yesterday I installed the latest software, "MAXpowr 2.0.2fc3 Installer" and made these discoveries:

1. Speed Doubler 8 (8.1.2) will crash the computer upon startup.

2. The installer and/or extension and control panel installed does something to the System File that Tech Tool 1.1.9 reports "System File Damaged. Replace with Fresh Copy." (However, using Conflict Catcher to "Scan Files for Damage" and Norton Utilities to check files shows no problems with the System File. Perhaps this is a problem with Tech Tool???)

I called Newer Tech and spoke to their technical support people and learned this:

1. Speed Doubler 8 is NOT COMPATIBLE with any of their cards or drivers. (This is strange as it seemed to work just fine with the 1.0 driver.)

2. They aren't sure about the "Damaged System File" but it MAY MODIFY it in some way. (I installed the drivers on a non-G3 Mac and found that Tech Tool reports that System File as being damaged, too! Also, replacing the System File with a fresh one will be ok until the computer is restarted using the new drivers. After that, the new fresh System File will now be reported as damaged.)

3. They claim Conflict Catcher 8 is NOT COMPATIBLE with their
cards or drivers either. They won't elaborate on what the conflict is but to my knowledge I haven't had this conflict with either versions 1.0 or 2.02 of their software. They recommend using Apple Extensions manager.

I asked to speak to their software authors or at least to contact me with better answers. I will let you know if I hear from them. I hope these claims aren't true as I don't want to give up my Speed Doubler or Conflict Catcher and am concerned about the "Damaged System Files!"
Thank You,
Brent]

3/18/2000 Strange info from Newer on their 300Mhz L2 G3 upgrades?: I was sent this letter from a person that wrote Newer on the status of their 300Mhz L2 G3 upgrade. They got a very interesting reply! Thanks.

[ Latest Word From Newer!

QUOE! 03/08/00
Sorry for the confusion surrounding this product.

Production has stopped on this product. IBM and Motorola stopped making the 300MHz chip in November, we ran out of stock in January, were promised more chips in February and now are being told that the chips are unavailable.

We are investigating a faster version of this product but have nothing to announce today.

I am very sorry for the delay and any inconvenience that this may have caused!
Tim]

I don't understand why Newer says the 300Mhz CPU's are unavailable? I thought all the other G3 upgrade Vendors were still selling 300Mhz cards? Very strange!

Update on Newer Maxpower 2.0.2fc3 driver and Speed Doubler: Brent wrote me last week that he had trouble getting the new MaxPower beta driver to run if SD was installed. He also wrote MacFixIt who email Newer on this subject and got yet another strange reply! What's with Newer these days?

[Brent Davis has a Performa 6400 running OS 8.6 with a MAXpowr G3 L2 300/200 card. All was going well until he installed the MAXpowr 2.0.2fc3 Update. At this point, Speed Doubler 8.1.2 started crashing on startup and TechTool 1.19 reported a damaged System file. There may also have been an unspecified conflict with Conflict Catcher 8.

We contacted Newer Technology about these matters and they replied:

First off: "The fc designation on the software driver means that Newer is confident that there are no major issues with the software and that only minor changes if any may be necessary, but features will not be added at this point."

As to the report of System file damage: "The latest version of the MAXpowr INIT does add a bit of code to the System file to call our Extension early in the boot process. This code looks for the file "MAXpowr Extension" and calls the 'INIT' in it, like the regular Extension loading process does. If the MAXpowr Extension is disabled, renamed, or the Shift key is pressed at startup, it skips this process. This is all the additional code does." Some utilities, including TechTool and perhaps Conflict Catcher will erroneously report this as "damage" to the System file. [Note: This is a common problem with these utilities, as they often interpret any unrecognized modification to the file as damage.] Newer is working with these other vendors to get their software to recognize the MAXpowr modification.

As for Speed Doubler: "Newer Technology does not feel the use of applications for performance enhancement are necessary when using a G3 processor upgrade. Whether or not these software apps may have worked with an older driver does not change this recommendation."]

Brent was able to get SD working again on a tip from me by renaming the SD extension by adding some spaces in front of it to make it load before the MaxPower extension. I had this same problem with Vimages drivers and making SD load first worked then also. Saying that certain utilities aren't needed anymore is just a cop out in my mind! If it worked before then obviously they caused a problem with their update. They could at least say they are sorry it doesn't work or maybe even try and fix it but to just belittle the product is ubsurd! Thats just my 2 cents :)

4/8/2000 MaxPower 2.0.3 final release: Newer released the final version of there universal G3/G4 driver. It is supposed to fix issues with OS 9.0.x. I have a friend with OS 9 on a 6100 upgraded with the MaxPower PDS G3 and the beta driver boots under OS 9 but if you try to restart it will hang at the MaxPower driver. Only a shut down and cold boot works fine?